{"id":495,"date":"2006-06-13T20:28:52","date_gmt":"2006-06-14T01:28:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kirstenmortensen.com\/index.php\/?p=495"},"modified":"2020-01-01T17:50:37","modified_gmt":"2020-01-01T22:50:37","slug":"above-the-knee-below-the-knee-how-long-is-long-enough-for-that-novel-youre-writing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kirstenmortensen.com\/index.php\/above-the-knee-below-the-knee-how-long-is-long-enough-for-that-novel-youre-writing\/","title":{"rendered":"Above the knee? Below the knee? How long is long enough for that novel you&#8217;re writing?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Where&#8217;ve I been, you ask?<\/p>\n<p>Why, working! And editing my novel :-)<\/p>\n<p>Plowed through a good 150 pages today, starting to get tired, so thought I&#8217;d take a quick break now to blog about . . . novel length.<\/p>\n<p>My WIP is now at 65,000 words, and I&#8217;m betting it will finish at 67-68K.<\/p>\n<p>The count has been creeping up during this latest round of editing, as I add some scenes and flesh out a subplot that I&#8217;d set aside while I worked on the main plot. Still, it&#8217;s on the thin side, so naturally I sat up and paid attention when I read <a href=\"http:\/\/pubrants.blogspot.com\/2006\/05\/too-short.html\">this, in a post titled &#8220;Too Short&#8221; over at agent Kristin Nelson&#8217;s blog<\/a>, Pubrants.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>My agent friends and I just recently discussed an interesting trend on our chat loop: queries for novels with really short word counts (like 50,000 or 60,000 words) that aren&#8217;t category romance, cozy mysteries, or YA.<\/p>\n<p>Queries for &#8220;full-length&#8221; novels.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, according to one agent friend, she says that about half the queries she receives highlights this short word length.<\/p>\n<p>We are all stymied by this.<\/p>\n<p>Where are writers getting the info that this might be an appropriate length for a work? That it would be a marketable length? Standard word length is usually between 70,000 to 100,000 words for a novel. Fantasy can push up to 110,000 but for a debut, it&#8217;s going to be a tough go if the word count is higher.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>About the same time the issue of manuscript length came up on Deanna Carlyle&#8217;s Chicklit Yahoo forum. The discussion offered a new twist: using a computer word count (i.e. MS Word&#8217;s utility) gives a shorter length than calculating word count the old-fashioned way &#8212; i.e., use Courier 12 pt text, then multiply your page count by 250 &#8212; Courier 12 pt gives you an average of 250 words\/page.<\/p>\n<p>So a couple days ago, just for fun, I reformatted my WIP from the default font &#8212; Times Roman 12 pt &#8212; to Courier 12 pt. It jumped from 265 pages to 340.<\/p>\n<p>Is that the secret to legitimately &#8220;padding&#8221; your official MS length?<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, the answer is &#8220;probably not.&#8221; I actually had a chance to put this question to Kristin Nelson herself, since she&#8217;s the guest this week on <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/TWLAuthorTalks\/\">TWLAuthorTalks<\/a> (still time to click and join if you want to ask her a question yourself!)<\/p>\n<p>Kristin said that agents and editors use MS word count &#8212; and that although published authors can get away with shorter books, first-time novelists are going to have a hard time selling anything that falls outside that 70-100,000-word rule (excluding the genres she noted in her blog post).<\/p>\n<p>She does give a ray of hope for those writers whose work is coming up too long&#8211;or too short. If your novel is good enough, word count won&#8217;t matter as much.<\/p>\n<p>If your novel is good enough.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not worried about my WIP btw. Partly because I&#8217;m totally enamored of it, right now &#8212; flaws? What flaws? lol<\/p>\n<p>But mostly because I made a conscious decision, with this book, not to worry about length. I&#8217;m focusing on the plot and the characters. I do tend to write rather spare prose, and frankly I don&#8217;t want to cure that. I want this book to move, and I want its bones to show.<\/p>\n<p>One day I&#8217;ll know whether I can sell it, at whatever length it comes out to be, but until then, it&#8217;s just not a problem I&#8217;m going to let climb into the boat ;-)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Where&#8217;ve I been, you ask? Why, working! And editing my novel :-) Plowed through a good 150 pages today, starting to get tired, so thought I&#8217;d take a quick break now to blog about . . . novel length. 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